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  • Super excited for a new supernatural drama and this looks promising! Hopefully a viable TVD replacement once it sadly comes to a close.

    So if you need any assistance let me know and I'll do what I can to contribute!

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    • Sup. I can't wait for this show to premiere. That trailer has me hyped. With TVD ending and the fact that TO just might follow, I'm certainly in need of a replacement show.

      I'll be sure to let you know if I am in need of assistance

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    • I know right! That Trailer was amazing. I don't think I've been this excited for a show since Salem. I could barely contain myself, lol.

      I can see a lot of TVD fans jumping to this just because it is right up the same alley with a lot of familiar species.

      Have you read the Trilogy? If so, do you recommend I read it prior to the premiere? I ask because I read the synopsis for TVD books (after watching the show) and did not even bother with them.

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    • I hope the show can maintain the hype that the trailer brought. I'm really liking the unity between the monsters of this town. You don't see that too often, usually it's packs, covens, clans, but with them it's open to every monster.

      Agreed. I've been following this show for a while now, but it's been really quiet, so a lot of people aren't even aware of it, but once it gets started I could definitely see the show blowing up, hopefully this wiki will as well

      Nope. I worry the books could spoil something, so i haven't read them.

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    • Major hype. I have to say I was oblivious to it until a recommend of a recommended video brought me to the trailer lol. I know this is a unique little town where, seemingly the supernatural residents cohabitate peacefully and will band together or a common cause. Haven't seen much of this in TV.

      It's been super quite I don't think I've heard anything about it but as soon as a Trailer is released on Tv I'm sure it will blow up big.

      I kinda want to read the books now, but kinda don't want to spoil it either. I mean hopefully it will be a adaptation and maybe not strictly follow the books idk. I might checkout the first one or read a summary of it to see how it looks. I know I don't want to get invested with a character knowing they will die or what not. I like the mystery.

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    • Its certainly a unique idea, so that's always a good start. It's not something I've seen a million times before like vampires vs werewolves.

      With mid-season slowly approaching you'd think they'd want to start getting more buzz out. There's been no interview or character description. Just about everything that been released, is on this wiki, which isn't much

      If its revealed that the series is just a loose adaptation, then I might consider reading the books

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    • Unique it is, hopefully they can keep that trend going.

      I know I guess it could be a winter or summer premiere and they will advertise starting in a month or so. I know, this wiki is seriously lack especially since a couple major pages were created several months ago, I though it was close to airing but I haven't beeb able to find any air dates yet.

      I might consider the books. I read them for the Maze runner and was not disappointed with the movies and some of the concepts were changed but the overall plot still there. I'm interested in seeing how they handle a few details in the a Death Cure. BoOKs are bad but yeah I don't want to be spoiled about major plots.

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    • The only thing I've read is mid-season, which starts in a few months, they've yet to release an official date hopefully it airs in January if we're lucky, if we're not, it could be as late as April, which would kill me.

      Never read the Maze Runner books but decided to see the first movie, then I figured I might as well watch the second one as well, both were good, prefered the first one.

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    • The first movie was better than the second and they left out some pretty good scenes in the second from the book. I can't wait for the third movie, there are like at least 3 location changes so hopefully they don't cut out too much stuff.

      Gah a premiere in April would just be torture! When I saw that trailer I was expecting a fall air date, but apparently not. :( January would be ok I guess, Shadowhunters come back in January and the Magicians too.

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    • I know everything got delayed after O'Brien's injury, is there still a release date for the film. I know it won't be any time soon.

      I watched the few few episodes of Shadowhunters, then just dropped it, I guess I lost interest, does it get better. I also plan on checking out Magicians. 

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    • Last I heard Death Cure was shooting for a January release where before it was September of this year. They were supposed to release nearly one year apart from each other so not too much of a delay.

      Shadowhunters is okay, I'm not familiar with the book so the plot is a little long winded for me, they build up so much and left a cliff hanger for S2. I've neglected to watch the movie as well because I'm used to the TV series actors so I fill like the movie would be weird, but my Brother said its following major plots of the movie so, eh. I guess it depends on what you watch it for. They have werewolves and vampires and warlocks. The magic is a bit too flashy for my taste but I really like the characters.

      Magicians is good but their magic is definitely unique. Idk if you saw the comments on the Witch page on TVD, but its like hand seals to perform the magic, no words and there has only been like one or two rituals. I still recommend it though interesting mythology.

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    • I just did a little bit of research, quite a few sites are saying just that, January, but of 2018. Almost a year and a half from now. Which is absolutely terrible. but I get it, between O'Brien's injury and his busy schedule, it has to be a difficult task to pull it off.

      That's pretty much how I felt about it, nothing special, just okay, but I'm watching enough 'okay' shows as it is, I need something good, which is why I'm so excited for this, but I could see myself giving it another chance if I get bored and in need of something to watch

      Interesting mythology is exactly what I needed to hear.

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    • Dang, I'm so out of the loop then, I didn't know it was pushed back a year. I'm in tears now! (I hope they don't scrap it)

      Yeah Hopefully they could possibly get it in earlier, who knows. I know he is currently working on American Assassin and his last film, Deepwater Horizon was just released. This is sad news.. I didn't want to wait this long to finish the trilogy.

      I like Salem, it brings the Salem mythology and hysteria to a whole new level and the magic is not flashy. Its crude, dirty and bloody and really brings in the fear and terror that they would have went through during the time where when some pointed a finger and yelled witch, you were likely to die. lol, I can't wait for S3.

      I'm all for the interesting Mythology. I'm tired to the superhero shows that's been redone over and over and full of pointless love relationships. lol

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    • Nah, I don't think you should be worried about that, they know they have to complete the trilogy, for all the fans. I could never see them scrapping this. Between the O'Brien groupies and the followers of the franchise, there'd be a riot.

      I've never actually seen Salem, I'm not really a witch fan, but I saw a trailer not too long ago and it looked pretty damn good. There's so many damn shows I have to try but I'm not even fully caught up on some of the ones I currently watch. Not enough hours in the day.

      They're over doing it, the only super hero show I still watch is the Flash and if past shows are any indication, this is usually the time that their shows go to hell, so I'm a bit concerned. And I do feel like its all the same and a lot of the romance is entirely unnecessary.

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    • Lol O'Brien groupies... I support him, he is the Hot up-and-comer of Hollywood and his pictures are causing a storm. Heck I even wanted to see Deepwater Horizon and it's based on true events... I'd usually opt of something much, much different lol but he is on fire!

      Salem is really well done. I feel ya between my work and school schedule totally not enough hours. I have a select few that I keep up with. Its barely into the season premieres and already behind on a few. I did watch flash and the whole changing the timeline and yet another speedster is redundant, and he 'fixed' the timeline way too quick but I liked the Iris twist. I have to say did not see that coming. I watched the last season (maybe the one before that too, idr) of Arrow, the flashbacks kill me though. I like the superhero shows but idk I guess I'm more marvel. I do like they are branching out though Supergirl instead of superman (even though he is reoccurring in s2) but most of the plots in the older shows are a little stale for me now..

      If they are going to have a romance, make it meaningful and not lets breakup sleep around and then get back together and call it drama. smh, some could be better for what is currently on air.

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    • I noticed a lot of them worship the ground he walks on, as if he's some kind of god. They'll find the most normal picture, he could just be standing there doing nothing, and they'll praise it to no end, his face, his eyes, his posture and stance is all perfection to them. Groupie seemed like a fitting term. But there's no denying that he's killing it right now, out of the entire teen wolf cast, he's the one that's really going to make it BIG. He's going to be a household name some day

      Exactly, thats what's killing me. Every season its another speedster, so Barry has to bitch about getting faster. This is the third season in a row that they chose a speedster as if thats the Flash's only enemies. Its very redundant. Arrow was really good for the first 2 seasons, it fell apart directly after that, such a shame. As for SuperGirl, I could never get into the show, I never cared for supergirl in any of the animated shows and movies, so of course I was jsut naturally detached from the show now.

      That's the go-to for a lot of shows and their relationship drama, its so pointless, I'd rather them just keep it out all together if its going to be so bad and time consuming.

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    • Yeah he is a good actor but there is more to it than that. I love a lot of good actors but praising it to no end, I got better things to do with time lol. He is killing it now and I don't doubt he will be big, but at the end of the day that is his job. Some are just better than others. I agree groupies is a good term for them.

      I know there are so many other villains out there. I mean I never kept up with the comics or anything but I knew Capt. Cold was specifically one of his and killer frost and they've killed them both, albeit one in the future and the other on another Earth. It's always about getting faster, I guess they think that as a speedster himself he could easily take out the non-speedster and boom no plot. That just seems like poor writing, imo.

      I skipped the first few seasons of Arrow. I came in around the Ral Al Ghul one where Colton was the Red Arrow. Honestly I don't think I could watch the first few, they have loads of flashback even in the current episodes and I don't know if I could sit through more of the Island crap.

      Supergirl is refreshing for me. I'm not a superman fan and I don't really know much about her so it intrigues me atm. I Lov Cat Grant though, gah, her character makes the show for me!

      I don't made the mild relationship drama in small parts but something is wrong when it is the constant focus of the show and for the character. I mean that is one of the reasons for Elena and TVD, continuous love triangle crap. It's just horrible.

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    • Just thinking about it, one story on teen wolf led to all of this, he started getting recognized for his acting skills after the void Stiles storyline, which he did a damn good job at. He deserves it.

      I read an article talking about this exact problem, I think it was on Fandom, but it listed a number of villains from the comics that Flash could've and should've faced on the show besides these speedsters, not that I didn't enjoy Reverse Flash and Zoom, but it really should've stopped at those two. It is poor writing, super speed isn't everything, Flash has been defeated by non-speedtsers, they just have to be more prepared and clever, which requires competent writing.

      I 100% agree with that, the flashbacks are tedious to say the least, especially in the first season, the entire time I was watching the season, I had assumed that they would end by S2, but they didn't. I can't believe they were dragging it out for as long as they did.

      Not a superman fan either, but I am a Tyler Hoechlin fan, so I might give S2 a peek just to see them in action together, sounds like it could be good enough

      As much as I hate most of these ships, I wish TVD would've just left it with Stefan and Elna, it was less time consuming, it made more sense, and they could've put the triangle to rest. The back and forth and the increasingly annoying amount of screen time it got annoyed me so much. They lost the balance between romance and supernatural in the later seasons.

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    • That is true. All it takes is one breakout moment and look at all the doors that have opened. So much hype in a short amount of time, landing lead roles in great movies. I might even go see American Assassin, not my genera but hey, I'm open to something new every now and again. He definitely deserves it a lot of times this kinda hype goes to their head and they change (just look at the music pop stars).

      I like reverse flash and I like Dr. Wells Earth 2. With the timeline changed again, I wonder if they will bring back the original wells before RF killed and assumed his identity, doubt it, but something happened with Iris so we'll see. Zoo was interesting, especially the darkness that he brought, but again the who Caitlin and Jay thing was a little creepy. They use the non-speedsters basically as stepping stones for the main plot, more or less as fillers... they should change it up.

      Yeah the flashbacks have changed some. Last season they went back to the Island and Darhk's story but again I think they could be more concise with how they do it. Devote a single or two episodes as a flashback explaining the story, the bits every episode just makes it cumbersome to keep up with.

      Honestly I originally started to watch supergirl because I wanted to see how Hoechlin would do as the 'man of steel', but I actually started to like certain characters (Cat and Winn) and their development and even Supergirls transition into what she is now. It feels like a shorter/revised version of Smallville (I did watch it but sporadically and for certain arch/characters)

      Yes when romance shadows out a supernatural show then something is wrong. The whole plot of the show centers around this romance and continues to do so and I could careless... get back to the supernatural and do it right for an ending. Just like the wedding storyline --pandering to fans. They are vampires, immortal, to live forever. A wedding is trivial to them and the whole family drama between Stefan and Caroline with Alaric and the Twins is just ugh, I can even put it into words. I mean she is but isn't the twin's mom and she wants to be a happy 'family', why get back with Stefan. Idk... I hope the series ends with a little justice

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    • American Assassin is exactly my type of movie, so there's no doubt it, I'll be going to see it.

      Same here. I like how they went with Harry, and didn't just call him Wells too. With the constant time traveling and screwing up off timelines, it possible, but I doubt we'll ever see the real Dr. Wells. Caitlin and Jay didn't bother me until he was revealed as Zoom and he was still pretty much obsessing over her, it was weird, perfect example of unnecessary romaance. That's their problem, they get rid of meta-humans that could pose a real threat in one episode, its sad.

      That's a great idea, and a much simpler way to do it, that way they could stop breaking it up into multiple episodes interrupting the story, which becomes more annoying as it continues, no one wants small flashbacks every episode

      Damn it! Sounds like another show on the lists of many that I have to try now

      I remember someone, it was either JP or CD that said something about TVD being a romantic drama with a sprinkle of supernatural, and I was shocked. It should be the other way around, but thats what happens when you hand a show over to fangirls. This June wedding crap is killing me, it makes no sense, why would vampires feel the need to get married? I kinda understand it from Caroline, she's still somewhat new, and she's certainly the type to settle down and have a family, but the whole idea of it is just stupid. And you're right that situation is weird, I think Damon made a joke about Stefan and how he was going to be the creepy uncle.

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    • I doubt I will see the theatrical release but I'll eventually see it.

      Though I'd like to see the original Wells. Having yet again another Wells with a whole new personality and attitude, etc., I think would just be more redundant though. They've cleared up the Earth 2 storyline and I don't see how they will incorporate Earth 3 for a Flash/Supergirl crossover again. I don't know how accurate they are but I've heard that we may get another Killer Frost episode? Idk, of course I don't want to see the current Caitlin turn evil, since Ronnie died and all, but dang she as Killer Frost was so much better imo.

      You talking about Supergirl or Smallvill? (I'd recommend the former just because it is only entering it's second season, will the latter had like 8).

      Gah fangirls and their vampires. I completely agree. It should be a supernatural show with a dash of romance (character development and whatnot). They could have had so many better plots if it wasn't all about a single ship. At one point they had a main cast of like 10, but yet threw characters away because of drama. They need to let the soap opera drama to daytime tv and get back to their roots. I'm a little apprehensive for the last season, It could be past the point of trying to fix things (just like introducing another Donovan, Matt's father?, and its been like what 6 seasons since we've seen his mother).

      I can see it with Caroline too, but again, the is the most logical and OCD, perfectionist and yet she can't realize that a wedding is pointless. She (and Stefan for that matter) can't have a normal life. Just like the new anchor job, as a vampire she could not keep that job for more than 5-10 years if that. Raises too many questions (that and after the Rayna bit, I'm sure she left).

      Ha I can see Damon joking about that and it is creepy. But hey I guess fangirls like the creepy. (point is case --Like Bonnie and Kai or Damon, the lengths people will go to justify horrible and abusive ships. I know it is a show and not real, but come on even as a fantasy it is still horrible)

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    • Agreed, it would be redundant, just like the new speedsters every season. I heard that there's going to be a 4-way crossover between Flash, SG, Arrow and LoT, chances are SuperGirl will be coming to them, but I have no idea how they're going to pull it off. Killer Frost was awesome, I hope we see her again, but like you, I'd hate for it to be earth-1 Caitlin.

      I was talking about SuperGirl. I don't have the time to go through that many seasons of Smallville

      I doubt they even know the meaning of character development. To them, the only wat for a character to have a story and develop is to be thrown into a relationship, I believe Enzo is the most recent example of this. With a decent push, he could be a far better character. At this point, its too late to fix the show, I'm just hoping for a decent season, hopfully Kevin Williamson can deliver that, I'm not expecting a Christmas miracle or anything. Matt's father being introduced now is just laughable, they had seven season before to do that, it's absurd. I think we last saw Kelly in S1.

      That's what pisses me off about some of these vampires, they want to have normal lives. Common sense should tell them that's not possible, at least not for long, they'd eventually have to leave.

      Bonkai and Bamon is just nonsense to me. At first Kai wanted to kill Bonnie, he did, at least once, then he was chasing after her, begging for forgiveness. Bamon is much worse bc in a blink of an eye, they went from hating each other for year to 'best friends', I don't even remember how that happened.

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    • Ah apologies for the sporadic replies. (I should be better about it after Tuesday Night/Wednesday --rl work and exams just sapping my time atm)

      Yeah, if they were going to keep Wells, then Earth 2 should have stayed, but I'm okay either I guess. I too heard about the 4-way crossover but that seems like a huge undertaking with the network and individual shows (aren't they filmed in different locations too?). I can see Flash, Arrow and LoT, idk how they are going to get SG into the mix, it would be easier to explain her coming to them, though how she is going to get there well, it just seems a little too farfetched atm, imo. I mean even the timeline stuff from Flash, they can't change it too much otherwise the other shows would be affected since they are established in the same Universe or they break canon. I can see it being a little more easily done and accepted with LoT now in the mix but with the wraiths from Flash and the blatant changes by the 'Time Masters' I can see some conflicts arising. I like her too, but unless they do E-1 Caitlin, I doubt we will get another one, Dead E2 and nonexistent E3... Maybe she will make a special appearance in LoT with Capt. Cold? (Idk I can seem them teaming if they weren't both dead. :/ smh)

      Season synopsis summaries would work for Smallville. There are a few episodes that stand out to me where they have a future episode where heroes of the Future meet the pre-superman (legion of Superheroes, like the animated version, cool ep) and there was another ep that had Zatanna Zatara, really cool but only a one time thing sadly.

      Vampires and their normal live, wanting what they can't have. You'd think they'd know it but I guess that doesn't stop them from seeking it out, just wish it was done in a better way.

      Bonkai, is just horrible and Bamon is because of the books, but show Bamon is horrible too. Kai was a great villain and the how redemption part was just tiresome, like why can't he just be a psychopath for the sake of being one like when we first met him. Damon and Bonnie never got along in the beginning, they have even tried to kill each other on several occasions, he her in S1 and vice versa in S2. They eventually just tolerated each other as the seasons moved on, but apparently 4 months together in the prison world changed everything. I mean Bonnie just despised vampires for much of the series and now she is with Enzo, again smh. at this, and he is the most recent example. He was better single and murder-y. It would take more than a Christmas miracle but I'll settle for a decent ending.

      Other than Vickie's single ep sporadic appearances, the Donovan family is practically non-existent so idk why now, out of the entire series, to bring in the father. I don't see how that drives the plot, unless it's to do with the Armory or its Monster (and I highly doubt that). I mean the main families practically suffers from parental abandonment (expect Liz and I liked her moments). The whole Abby not wanting to be a witch again was so OCC for me after regaining her magic and her daughter, turning her into a vampire was worse than killing her imo. But plot demanded a sacrifice! I would have like to have more than 3+ episodes of her as a witch.

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    • No worries, I get it, real life comes first.

      I'm not sure where any the shows are filmed, but I'm sure they can work around that. If the networkl wants it bad enough, they'll make it happen. This is going to be a big deal, and I'm expecting a ton of promotion. I'm not really sure how SG would get there, if she's as fast as Barry then its possible that she could travel through dimensions considering that he did it, and doing this might not result in any time wraiths since she isn't actually going forward or back in time, and she isn't changing anything.

      I saw a few episodes of Smallville here and there, but I didn't really pay much attention, but like Superman was never really a hero that I liked.

      That was going to kill me if they went full fledge redemtion arc as Kai became one of my favorite characters. I'm glad they stopped that before it went too far, he came back as the evil badass he was before. Nothing darker than killing your twin sister and trying to kill her unborn babies. That's right, I completely forgot about the prison world for a moment, I guess they had some time to bond, but its still a little unbelievable. Enzo was the typical vampire, a little crazy, didn't really care for anyhting other than himself, just wanted to have a good time, and would kill you without even blinking. That's why I liked him.

      In the sides, I believe that Enzo said that Sybil wanted something from peter Maxwell, so I guess somehow he is involved in the Armory Monster story, just not sure how. That was beyond strange, the way she talked about it, she clearly loved magic and being a witch, the fact that she didn't anymore was crap. Any witch that can take down Mikael has to be a badass.

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    • I believe at one time that the Flash was filmed in Canada? (Idk I'm not too familiar with stuff like that outside TVD). Yeah if they want it bad enough they will get it. I like the idea and I honestly loved the cross over ep of Flash and Supergirl, the dynamics were well done and the dialogue was particularly funny. I never saw it the first go round when flash was premiering, but soo glad I finally saw it. Crossing dimension lol, would that a linear thing? lol Flash skipped over Earth 2 when he got the super charged portion of Tachyon Particles but his speed with SG was enough to get him back. Seems like SG would need assistance.

      Smallville was good at introducing other minor characters that were pre-superhero/villain, or just getting into their powers. There Green Arrow, Aquaman, etc., that I can think of off the top of my head. They had a braniac arch was was interesting with the side girl Chloe (I fixated on her and when I did watch it, was for her.)

      The whole good vs. evil is pointless if they redeem all their villains. I just can't stand that. One of the biggest qualms with TO is Hope and Klaus being redeemable (and not even pointing out the huge in your face plot hole that is Hope...). TVD Klaus, so much better. TO Klaus is like a watered down coffee with twice as much milk. Kai was amazing and the few episodes inbetween his evil phases was just hard to watch, but I'm glad Chris Wood fought to keep Kai evil (much better plot). Nothing darker than killing your twin sister and trying to kill her unborn babies. ---Only if he actually succeeded, nothing against the twins but I don't think that a network show has went that dark (Heavily implied in TWD but never saw on screen, sure small children but not babies lol).

      Enzo was great when first introduced. Loving immortality and doing as he pleased, killing how he pleased and taking what he wanted. Then the Lily and subsequently Bonnie love arcs. The Flash-forwards to Bonnie/Enzo was just hard to stomach given her attitude towards vampires and Enzo changing so much, but I guess I shouldn't have been surprised given how he interact with her when trying to get to Lily. Both of those, just a mess.

      I know right. Given the way Bonnie performed the spell to take down Klaus and Alaric, Abby either likely performed it remotely or outright performed it on him (like Qetsiyah on Silas) and she survived. I mean not many witches have faced a Mikaelson, let alone Mikael and survived. And then refused to have the chance to have her magic back. That is just plot less plot, i.e. having Elena be human again. Like the spell wouldn't have worked on her as a vampire? Idk, doubtful.

      Peter Maxwell just seems like plot tbh, like where has he been up till now? And only convenient with the Monster plot. (Maybe he worked for the Armory? I guess it's not too farfetched considering it was Mystic Falls)I don't every recall Matt talking about him, just his Mother being a drunk and his sister being a drug addict.

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    • The crossover episode was pretty solid, other than that episode, I watched a couple others but they just couldn't bring me in, but the CW is pretty good at writing good shows for the first two or three seasons, so maybe this one will interest me. I'm not sure how the crossing Dimensions thing would work, the flash uses a lot of scientific and technical terms, I can't keep up with it all.

      I do remember Green Arrow, Aqua man and Deadshot. Comparing that suit to the Green Arrow suit we have now, that one was complete trash, it was terrible. I don't even want to get started on Klaus and Hope, that's just a  gigantic disservice to his character. First of all he shouldn't even be able to procreate, even if we disregard that fact, this isn't the first time that Klaus was a father, he raised Marcel and that didn't change him, certain characters don't need to be redeemed. TVD Klaus was a master piece and now he's nothing, they destroyed him, along with most of the original family. At that moment, I liked Chris Wood even more, he wanted to keep his character evil as well, I respect that. Kai was pure evil, they shouldn't have tried to mess with that. The babies likely would have stayed dead had Candace not been pregnant, instead of writing her off like any competent writer would do, they Incorporated the pregnancy into the show.

      The obsession with Lily was certainly a curveball to say the least, it was so random and unnecessary. The only Flash Forward that was worse than Bonnie and Enzo, was Caroline and Ric, never would have guessed that in a million years. They don't know what else to do with Enzo, so they just throw him into ships

      A flashback to that would have been amazing, to see Abby put down Mikael, arguably one of the most dangerous Mikaelsons. As far as these writers concerned, as long as it furthers the story they don't care if it doesn't make sense.

      He's likely a plot device, I don't know what else he would be at this point, but I feel like the writers are just dumb enough to make Sybil have some kind of Donovan family connection that likely wouldn't make sense.

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    • I actually just saw the LoT trailer and it seems that they will facilitate the event, it looks pretty solid and I'll problem keep watching it. I didn't realize the premiere was Thursday so I've went not seeing the trailer for a while now I guess (thanks IGN snapchat lol).

      Idk the Brainiac on Supergirl was a little trash looking but hey I guess effects can be only so good when their budget was blown out of proportion.

      I agree about the poor character development for Klaus. Yes Marcel was his 'son' but I guess it is different with Hope. And I totally agree about Hybrids even Klaus. He is still fundamentally dead (a vampire), he had to die to complete the transition, how does being a werewolf trump that?! It allows him to procreate and to walk in daylight, smh doesn't make since to me and never has. Same with the Heretic, yes they have magic but still a vampire (they too should need a daylight ring 0.0)

      Kai was great and imo the Gemini Twin/arc should have ended with Jo/Twins/Kai's death. Some show I guess hand cast pregnancy well (One of the only ones that I like is Charmed. Their basis of the show was three sisters trying to live a normal life and who happen to be witches. Piper and the baby was hinted at long before she actually got pregnant and yes it does complicate story and plot but it fit into it.) A vampire being magically transferred pregnancy and who is still fundamentally dead just doesn't make since. Biologically Caroline is dead, yes the heart 'beats' but to bump blood to prevent desiccation, she shouldn't have been able to support life. (I guess I just read too much into it but sometimes Supernatural and Science should be considered together and "Its Magic" is not a fix all for every.)

      Caroline and Alaric seemed forced, but again that is because she wants to be normal. She was more or less a surrogate but I guess the writers had to give her another purpose and say hey go be a Momma now. Enzo is another one, who didn't have a purpose except to vie for Lily's affections and then by happenstance, a long lost relative in charge of the Armory... He still doesn't have a purpose except to get back to Bonnie.

      Yes, I never considered an Abby/Mikael flashback. That would have been a perfect moment when she explained the spell to Bonnie to have one, it would have been awesome to see the difference and how a trained witch (from Sheila) would have performed dark magic.

      Ugh because we need another Donovan to further what? A pointless character at this point. Wasn't Matt supposed to leave MF at the end of last season. As a human you'd think he'd get out of MF way before then.

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    • I still haven't seen the trailer for Legends of Tomorrow, I'll probably do it later, but I heard it was pretty good. And I might get back into the show, I stopped halfway through season 1.

      The CW is in love with the superhero shows right now, so maybe Supergirl will have a bigger budget, which can result in better effects, I wasn't really feeling the Red Tornado either. It just didn't really look right. 

      To me it just doesn't make sense that he would change for Hope, when he wouldn't do so for Marcel, who reminded Klaus of himself. The fact that Klaus can procreate makes even less sense considering that the non-original hybrids can't. I brought this topic up in the past, the hybrid mythology doesn't really make sense, it's like they handpicked what worked and what didn't. Why does a werewolf suddenly gaining vampirism mean that he can change at will? What does one have to do with the other?

      I agree the Gemini storyline shouldn't have made it out of season six, it was good while it lasted  but they tried to drag it out. Caroline's pregnancy was just asmuch bullshit as Klaus being able to have kids. It didn't make sense either. Vampires have been called both dead and Undead, so how can a being such as that support a baby human's life? Not to mention that Caroline didn't even know that she was pregnant, which means she was feeding those babies strictly blood for a number of weeks, which probably should have killed them. I feel the same way, you're not reading too much into it, the writers are just idiots.

      I guess being a mother is slightly better than Caroline being a love interest every season, bc that's all she was, I'm still shocked that she's made it this far, Caroline adds nothing to the show, she should have been killed off. I did kinda enjoyed his brief rivalry with Julian, but the fact that it was over Lily diminished it. 

      It's just one of many missed opportunities on the show, there's no shortage of them, but I would have loved to have seen that flashback, No Doubt.

      That's what I don't get it, why have Matt come to this moment of realization that the world he is living in is no place for a human, only to throw him back in it next season? They should have said that for the final season, so Matt can end his story with a normal human life

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    • The trailer is amazing, you definitely need to watch it, though some things may not make since if you did not finished S1 (btw, I'm so sorry if I spoiled anything particular in one of my previous comments).

      Yeah I forgot about RT too, his appearance was just horrible. Humanoid machines on a low budget is horrible! Hopefully they can either go full CGI or better effects. I wouldn't mind more of the Brainiac chick (I believe she played supergirl in smallville, don't quote me on that. She also playe Elena on Bitten.) Speaking of, if you have not watched Bitten, you need too! They focus on werewolves (season 2 with witches. Either way well done on both seasons. They ended the series after S3, though.

      Handpicked what worked, sounds about right. I mean there should still be 'supernatural laws' that regardless affect them. Like how the Originals will burn in the sun but not die (hence the rings) but yet if your an essential dead werewolf/vampire, that is negated, why because Magic. poor answer.

      I feel the same way about Caroline she hasn't really contributed to anything major in the last few seasons. I mean her still being here is kinda pointless. I'd rather have a relatively small main cast that is really well developed than a large cast with characters not really doing much. Personally I think they should have kept Alaric as an indestructible Enhanced original vampire (Elena dying and him being brought back should have made him truily indestructible) but I guess that would have been too OP, like how they weakened Freya because she couldn't be a magic fix-all after Dahlia's death.

      Caroline anything other than a LI is bound to be better. I rather like the new trailer where she is interrogating Virginia, ha that is why they got the Nanny so the twins don't see her beating the crap out of a human.

      Sadly they've missed a lot of good stuff. I wished they could have had at least a deleted scene of it or some kinda interaction between Abby and Mikael or Mikael, Abby and Miranda.

      I'm surprised that Matt is still even alive at this point. I mean he's died roughly the same amount of times as Jeremy if not more. He was kinda decent in the last season picking up the resident Vampire Hunter role but even that arc was a little pointless and didn't bring much to the overall plot. I mean at best his diversions with Huntress Bonnie at best slowed her down, but again he nearly died. He should have moved on after he said his final goodbye to Vickie.

      Edit: Btw, my midterm is over so I should be back somewhat regular :)

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    • No worries, I've heard just about all the spoilers already, I expect it since I'm going to be online, it's nearly impossible not to run into spoilers. 

      Well, the flash has some legit special effects at times, with this being the era of the superheroes, I would imagine that Supergirl will get something similar, then future heroes or villains can have better appearances, the Red Tomato looked good for like a low-budget short film, but fot an actual TV show on a network, they should have done better than that. Cool, I'm familiar with Elena from bitten, I saw seasons 1 and 2 of that series. 

      Because magic is so hilarious and ridiculous to me, it's nonsense and an excuse for them to do what they want, that's always been my problem with the hybrid mythology, they suffer from certain weaknesses and certain strength, it should be all or nothing, for example, if they're going to go this crazy route that the hybrid's werewolf side can protect them from the sunlight, then that very same werewolf side should also protect them from vervain.

      That's been TVDs problem in recent seasons, they don't know how to let go of these characters that have nothing else to do, so they keep them around just for the hell of it, Matt and Caroline being two prime examples of this. I mean I liked Matt in season 7, he was kinda a badass, but before that he did nothing. Now that right thete, that infuriated me. Ric was this awesome enhance original, and they stripped him of that, they're idiots. I was speechless when that happend. 

      I did like that, I thought good for her, she's finally doing something, even if it is knocking around a weak human, it's still contributive. Better that than a love interest. Better that than a lot of interest

      Hahaha, i just said the samethe same thing higher up on my post, Matt finally took a stand last season, he had a purpose, he had a goal, and he actually completed something, bringinb Mystic Falls back to life after disposing of the vampires.

      nice!

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    • I know I try to actively avoid some stuff so I'm not spoiled. Then again sometimes I go searching because I want to know.

      The premiere of Supergirl was amazing imo. If felt like it transitioned well into the CW and TH was great as superman. I feel like he is doing the character justice. (I might just become a fan yet.)

      Lol Bitten S1,2 are all that really matter though the last few episodes of 3 are intriguing!

      The hybrid mythology is so convoluted, its crazy. I just kinda ignore it tbh.

      They keep the ones they don't have a good arc for but yet throw/send away good characters that we only get to see once (or a few times). Matt was probably the best he's been last season but now he is basically pointless again. (Is he even main cast anymore?). The writers were idiots for what they did to Alaric. I mean with that logical why couldn't they 'cure' Elena that way, I mean have Jo prep something to save a drowning victum, stick a tube in her throat or something, but no, they take Ric.

      I have to admit I'm glad to see Caroline actually doing something productive again. It's been ages since she has done much of anything important. I don't really see her doing too much more after the Nanny dies (I'm guessing Damon kills her, I don't see the Monster making a full fledged appearance that early).

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    • TELL me you are or will be watching FLASH!! XD (I am currently watching it) Edit: Just finished it.

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    • I'm guilty of that as well, some times I just spoil it for myself bc I'm so eager.

      I'll watch SG some time tonight, and let you know what I think of it. I said I would give it another chance, now is as good as any. I feel like superman appearing on the show will pull a lot more veiwers in, almost everyone loves superman.

      S3 took so long to premiere, by the time that it did, I had already forgotten about it, but Bitten was still a watchable show.

      Ingnoring it would likely be the best route. But it may be addressed during S4, it kinda has to be, in a certain form, since Klaus is half werewolf, people are wondering if Marcel's super venom bite would work on him. It shouldn't, but hopefully we'll find out.

      Matt's story ended how it should've but it came to early, that was a series finale type ending for Matt, as if we weren't going to see him again. I'm guessing that's why his father is appearing, it'll force Matt to get back into the supernatural world, even if he doesn't want to. I'm not even sure what his role is anymore, I don't think anything has been confirmed. I definitely would've rather that story happen, then we wouldn't have had to relive that mortality/cure storyline with Bonnie bringing it back from the prison world for Elena.

      It's step in the right direction for Caroline, I want to see where they take it from there. Wasn't that the nanny that got her throat slit in the trailer? If so, it's weird that they'd reveal her death since they've been hyping up her and Ric. Maybe she had vamp blood in her system.

      I haven't watched the flash, I just got in, so it looks like I'm watching the flash and SG tonight

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    • Well I don't think you'll be disappointed with either. So I will hush until you watch it! :P

      I only recently finished S3 of Bitten and was on the verge of finishing Penny Dreadful though I still over half of the final season to finish. Just too much stuff getting in the way and now all the premiere coming back.

      I can see it being address though through sheer dumb writing he might be affected by it because of his vampire nature though the bite, and I agree, shouldn't given the current logic. His werewolf nature should override it.

      Yeah I haven't heard much about Matt. Hopefully it won't be too pointless.

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    • I've finished the Flash and Super Girl, both were great.

      I knew once Barry figured that he screwed up, he'd go back and try to reset everything, but I didn't think he'd mess it up so bad that it couldn't be repaired, he really fucked up, I didn't expect the permanent after effects, like Cisco's brother is dead, Joe and Iris was fighting, and now Caitlyn appears to be in transition to Killer Frost. Also, It was great to see the actor that played Julian on Flash, he was awesome too.

      Now on to Super Girl, I actually really liked it, much better than the first time I watched it, I'll likely continue to watch. Hoechlin was great as super man as I hoped her would be. Even though I've never really been a fan of SG or SM, it was still pretty cool to see them working together. Both shows are off to a great start.

      Penny Dreadful is another show on my list that I eventually plan on getting too.

      The entire storyline about the 'super venom' bite doesn't even make sense, all werewolves have the same powers thanks to the unification ritual, meaning they all have the same venom, mixing the venom of 7 bloodlines shouldn't somehow make it more potent.

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    • I was beginning to think Caitlin made it out ok then Barry made that comment and was like "crap you just jinxed it!" Then bam, KF is coming back. I wonder if they will bring Ronnie back, apparently he was vital to her story because in the comics she is more or less a thermal vampire with ice powers, or something like that, her victims would die but Ronnie/Firestorm couldn't. Either way I hope she has a slow transition because as much as I want KF back, I don't want to see Caitlin go and with what happened list night I don't see Barry changing the past anything soon (queue in LoT to screw something up next).

      SG was great. Tyler really pulled off the boyish charm without being too ridiculous about it. The characters seemed to transition from one network to the other seemingly with very little character change. I liked the SG and SM interaction, I just hope that the focus doesn't move too much away from SG with the whole Lex plot. Isn't he SM's major villain? (Idk, I guess since they are cousins Lex would go after them both..)

      SIDE spill: I'm calling it now, I bet they are leading up to a young justice series like the animated one (I've heard tell of a Teen Titans Live action.. so could be possible). The White Martian from the mind control episode (I'm soo happy), they've been teasing Cadmus (ie Superboy), the Gothem cameo (If I'm not reading into it too much the future Robin), I mean they already/or will have the kid flash (again, I'm banking on the current plot direction). Sounds like they are building up to something. If they do I'd also like to see Zatanna come back.

      Penny Dreadful is interesting (I watched it to get to the witches, which is probably the most unique adaption that has been made imo). I just haven't been motivated to watch the final episodes... but I do like how they blend these stories together (the Wolfman, Frankenstein, vampires, witches, the devil, etc.,)

      The only thing that I can image is that each of the 7 packs wanted to keep 'pure' blood line and over the centuries the sharing of power diluted them per say, and that like vampires a poor copy of the originals, today's werewolves are the same. Pure bloodlines is what Lucien needed, so that is my theory. But yeah I think that the white oak has a part playing in that as well..

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    • I was thinking that too, with Barry screwing everything up, it's possible that Ronnie is back, but he just isn't aware of it yet, which could be interesting. I definitely didn't anticipate all these lasting effects. I think Earth-3 Flash was great at explaining it with that glass cup.

      I really liked Sg this time around, and I don't know why, maybe CW is just doing something different. Speaking of which, I read that the premiere is one of the CW's most watched shows in the last eight years. Yeah, Lex is SM's main villain. Lex would be crazy to go after both of them.

      That sounds awesome, I'd definitely watch a live action young justice. I know a lot of people would, that would definitely bring a lot to the CW. And no, I don't think you're reading too much into that mention of Gotham, it could lead t soemthing.

      I wasn't even aware of all those other creature in Penny Dreadful, I'd only heard about the vamps and wolves. I'm intrigued.

      That would kinda be a recton as Jackson said all werewolves had the same powers after a few centuries, but if you're right, wouldn't that mean at least 1000 years of inbreeding? I guess that would explain why the Crescents are so idiotic

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    • I know I actually didn't expect E3 Flash, I thought it was the reverse flash or something, that caused all this but I like how it was explained. (I usually can't follow time travel issues but seems like the Flash is doing a good job of scientifically/or visually using us what happens).

      Lol I saw the same article, I think Shae posted it. It's kinda hard to believe but the numbers don't lie lol. There was soo much hype for it though so hopefully it can keep up the momentum. I really thought Lex's sister (I don't even remember her name) was making it look like she was the victum, but I guess Lex is really targeting her, IDK why though, I guess that is the mystery. Lex couldn't beat SM what makes him think that he can take on SM and SG, and now Chris Wood's character... One of the promos looked like he was choking someone, I really hope he plays another good guy. His character on Containment was really well done and had a range of emotion!

      I loved the 2 season young justice and Teen Titans animations. They should have never been canceled but that is cartoon network, nowadays like 99% of their shows are garbage (imo, of course lol). I haven't heard any additional rumors about a live action Teen Titans but they were looking at Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and a couple others, perhaps they will merge the two concepts and make something of a hybrid. Heck I mean might as well as get on the superhero band wagon will the getting is good, right?

      Yeah There are other stories interconnected I may have left out like one or two. The wolves are more towards season 2 ending and 3, but I haven't seen much of 3. The vamps are early on, with the witches coming in S2.

      Bwahaha, that last statement lol. I guess it could be, idk I mostly gloss over the other mythologies (other than magic) so I could be forgetting some major details like what you mention about Jackson. I mean I'm probably wrong because seemed like what 4-5 different packs submitted to Jackson in order to gain the ability to control the shift? My idea seems absurd, but Lucien wanted pure strains if I'm not incorrect..

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    • Reverse Flash was the first person I thought of as well, I figured he was probably trying to stop Barry from messing up again. It was a nice surprise. the Flash often uses too many technical terms, so it can be confusing, but overall I get most of it.

      With those numbers rolling in, the CW is about to push Super Girl like no other show. This is probably better than what they were hoping for when the show was brought over, and I've seen quite a few good reviews of Hoechlin as Super Man, so it seems like CW is just making good choices at the moment. I'm guessing Lex is pissed bc his sister is abandoning him and changing the company to fit a new image, pretty much erasing him. I watched some of Containment, Jake was my favotite character, likely bc Chris did such a great job of portraying him. Young Justice and the original Teen Titan series was great, I hate that Teen Titans GO bullshit that's currently airing. I don't even watch that network anymore. I'd be onboard for either of those shows. I could see a merging of those two concepts, it would be epic, someone should get on that.

      Nice to know, but with all the shows I have in line, I probably wont be able to get to it any time soon.

      Yeah, there were only a few alphas at that meeting. I'll have to go back bc a lot of S3 is a blur right now, but I think it was said that he wanted venom from a werewolf from each of the seven packs, I dont think they went into specifics.

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    • Yeah I like the Theoretical science whether it is real or not (per the show) - I say it like this because at one point in time or throughout the who show I believe Charmed had paid Demonologist on set for there mythology, just like the Big Bang Theory has a physicist for all of their science terminology.

      If they can keep the DG hype, I can see them pushing it. It will become more clear whether or not the premiere was Hoechlin or SG driven. I too have seen many good reviews about his performance (well deserved) and was one of the basis for watching s1. I've only heard that the is a guest star and will only be in like an upward of 4eps.. Idk how acturate that is though but as much as I like Hoechlin, it is Supergirl and I don't want Superman to overshadow her.

      Lol the never-ending queue of Tv Shows. I'm likely never to get caught up on the stuff I want to watch.

      Yeah the specifics of that were vague to me as well. I mean I think it is poor writing because it seemed like magic (i.e. like a witch should have held the ceremony) but it wasn't Idk. Nice concept though, just poorly executed.

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    • I always figured the Big Bang Theory had someone on set for the extensive phrases and complex words, especially whenever Sheldon talks, it almost sounds like another language sometimes.

      That's what I'm expecting, they'll have to pull SM back from the show to see how it stands on its own, bc they can't keep him on for every episode, then it wouldn't be Supergirl anymore. I know a lot of people like me tuned in to se how SM would be portrayed, it was great, but now I'm interested in the show as a whole, and I'm sure thats what the CW is hoping for

      It'll probably get touched on fairly early in S4, but until then, we're here, confused and have no idea how this is going to work bc the writers don't really follow logic.

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    • They'd have too otherwise it would just be complete nonsense. Sometimes I wished TVD/TO would have someone or multiple people to keep up with the shows mythology I mean the writers have so many Plotholes you'd think they'd take the time to fact check things, check timelines and make sure magic and other supernatural phenomenon were consistently accurate.

      I think some people turned out for SM, but I think the fans who enjoyed S1 will stay. I think if anything the ratings will fall a little but not below s1.. I'm interested in how they are going to get him to come and go, I mean there is a Luther in Kara's city and Lex is targeting her and anyone that wants to protect her. I just don't see him willingly leave.

      I'm excited for S4 though I hope whatever 'logic' they use is decent and makes sense.

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    • They need a book or a flashdrive, or some type of documents, that's been categorized for each season, revolving around each species, the mythology and noteworthy canon details. They should've done that from the beginning, and a lot of things would've been more consistent. Season 5 alone, had a ton of inconsistencies. 

      I could see him leaving if this kryptonite problem gets any worse, he already doesn't want to work with them bc of it, or something more dangerous comes up. Right now, Lex's sister seems legit, but Im sure they'll keep an eye on her. 

      I'm feeling the opposite about S4, there's so much that has me worried that I can't be hype, but we'll see. I'm curious to see whats effecting the children of NOLA and how far Vincent has gotten with his community

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    • You'd think that as the seasons progress they'd at least have something that they can build upon and have an independent person to fact check this stuff or to question how they got from point a to b, but I guess they can do it on their own.

      Vincent's storyline is what is driving me atm. I haven't really heard much of anything else that interests me.


      The Images that you uploaded should they be categorized and Licensed? I'm a little rusty on creating templates and stuff (I guess I'm spoiled with an established wiki) but I thought I'd tag everything and make a few categories for the main cast. Whatcha think?

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    • More like they can try to do it on their own and fail, bc that's exactly what they've been doing.

      Vincent is definitely one of the most underused characters.

      I completely forgot how to even do that, but yeah, sounds good to me. I guess it's a good idea to get started on little things like that now.

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    • Yeah which is sad, but I guess unavoidable at this point.

      Vincent is probably one of the most developed characters on TO. I just hope with this time jump he doesn't change too much. Rumors flying around that he will be married or have a child. I guess 5 years is plausible and without the Mikaelsons could be safer, but if anything like S1 Marcel returns then I doubt it. I still think the witches should/could of at least put him down, desiccated him and put him behind a boundary spell.


      I'll look into it and see about getting something made I figured Comic Con would be a good category to start off with. I'll have to look into creating the license template.

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    • I hope those rumors aren't true, it seems like too much over a time jump. I just want to see him with an actual story, which could include keeping NOLA in order. Apparently within those 5 years, NOLA has been safe,meaning Marcel hasn't reverted to his old ways. But the witches could take him down, Freya almost did it to Lucien, but the witches would need a power boost

      What is the license template? I know about categorizing the photos, but that's it.

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    • Nevermind. I know what licencing is, that template should be simple. I could create it if you don't know how to. Either way is fine for me

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    • I know I don't necessarily want another Regent but I like the idea that he's a peace keep bringing in the different factions. Yeah I guess but it is unlikely they was find another way to make the NO witches 'powerful' again, although I hope that means we get to see more Coven related rituals and what not.

      There is the

      This file is copyrighted. It will be used in a way that qualifies as fair use under US copyright law.

      license, apparently already on this wiki but I know TVD has several others like for screenshots and stuff.
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    • Agreed. No need for repeat storylines. That's why I like this community leader story he has going. 

      Like I said above, this should be simple. A liscene template similar to that should be good. We can do a comic con image category, cast image category,  iindividual cast member category, promotional poster category, individual character category. But it's no rush, we have plenty of time to get all of this done.

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    • Yeah repeat story lines are horrible (aka the cure coming back to haunt us) lol.

      Sure, go ahead. I'm not too familiar with template creation (so I can research that in my spare time). I've already got the Comic Con images tagged and I can work on the cast ones later tonight and tomorrow.

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    • Ah, I thought you were working on screenshot or something.

      They already have Fairuse here

      Apologies if I confused you. So now we have two..

      But thank you.

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    • I see. No worry. I'll just rename it and make some modifications for it to fit the screenshot policy

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    • Ah ok great. Thanks

      I'm working on tagging Arielle Kebbel photos now. Thanks with the Category help.

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    • No problem

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    • Hey did you watch Arrow yet? or are you a timezone(s) behind me? (I'm EST, so little after 10pm)

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    • Hahaha. I stopped watching arrow. It was killing me, that show isn't nearly as good as it use to be. I couldn't continue past S3

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    • Ah that's right you mentioned something like that before.

      They just introduced a new character that they nicknamed Rag Man.. Cool character!

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    • How was the overall episode?

      Screenshot template is complete http://midnight-texas.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Screenshot

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    • Not bad. A lot of new characters/villains etc., Ollie is building a new team and they've introduced a second villain and the Rag Man appeared to be one (avenging for events that occurred last season, but Ollie convinced him to give it, possibly joining them)

      Still got flashbacks though, smh lol

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    • Are you serious? 5 seasons in and they're still doing flashbacks? This is something I'd be cool with TO doing, bc those flashbacks would be awesome, but 5 seasons of flashbacks is just absurd.

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    • Yeah I know. They aren't that long a couple minute segments, I think there was two this episode idr. Most of it is just background noise for the most part, but gets my interest sometimes.

      TO could use some more flashbacks. The new casting about a pregnant lady is somewhat disturbing (I hope it is not Hayley related) I wish it has something to due about Esther or perhaps her parents, but I doubt we could be so lucky.

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    • I'm just hoping that its any kind of flashback, as long as its not another present day pregnancy story I'm fine.

      Nice start on the NBC page, I was just about to do that.

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    • Gah I don't want another pregnancy story line!! I'm so sick of it and its a supernatural show, not a daytime soap, why do they need to keep having children!?

      Oh lol Thanks. Feel Free to edit it... I just wanted to get it started because I saw the broken link on the template. I guess I need to let you know what I'm doing so we don't end up creating the same pages lol.

      I'm surprised the Founder/Admin hasn't been back on since the Trailer was released on comic con. This wiki is so beyond dead atm..

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    • That would kill what little hype I had going into this season, knowing that there's another baby on the way. I don't know why certain people can't understand that a supernatural show is no place for children.

      No need, cross editing is rarely a problem, especially with it just being the two of us, for now that is, commercial advertisment and promotion hasn't even started yet, but when it does, I expect more traffic. I've mentioned this show to a couple people and they've never even heard of it, so that accounts for the dead zone we are currently in.

      Can't really blame them, that was months ago, around the time that the show was first picked up, and even then there was very little to work with

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    • It certainly doesn't help. I have hope for Vincent but if he turns out to have a pregnant LI then all hope is lost.

      I've mentioned it to a couple of people in idle message chat. I'll mention it to a few more (plus I've been talking about in rl and on Fb) gotta sustain that hype early so perhaps it gets renewed for a full season.

      I know, a few months ago and still there is so little info about it. I still want a premiere date.

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    • That'll only be the beginning of the destruction of Vincent's character, he'd be screwed, they pick apart every good thing about him.

      This show certainly deserves the hype after that trailer, I'll spread the word as well.

      They some times announce premiere dates in November, hopfully we'll get lucky

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    • Hopefully he will have some good scenes this season before that happens. I wonder if we will be getting more Flashbacks this season because of the longer time jump.

      Maybe we can advertise on TVD. With it ending I suspect some will move on. I mean I'm here now but TVD will always be my home :) I love it too much for it not to be.

      That tweet that you reference did they only just start filming? With a trailer like that I was under the impression that they had already begun filming, that and it was announced it was picked up back in what June?

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    • I'm hoping for flashback, like what took place in NOLA that led to its current situation. Also, it seems like we might be getting a flashback of Hayley, I think it was darke who recently posted a tweet, it says something like Hayley will be confronting her past, whatever that means, every enemy from Hayley's past is either dead or they conveniently forgot that they were even her enemy.

      Thats a good idea. TVD has been going on for 8 years, I know some will be looking for a replacement show.

      That confused me as well, I was under the impression that they had already begun, seems like they only did filming for the trailer, and now they're filming the episodes, which explains why we haven't gotten much, its bc they don't have anything to tell us yet.

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    • Gah I'm so tired of Hayley this Hayley that... The show is called the ORIGINALS (for a reason I might add) I swear I can't even click on those twitter links because they are just full of trash calling her a queen. (I'm over here like of trees, dirt and a bog... -.-)

      And what past has she got all of a sudden what about the dozen witches she slaughtered? Not like they would kill her off anyways.

      Hopefully the cast will post more on social media, I really want some interesting BTS photos. :) But with only 13 episodes they should develop the story relatively quick with little filler info.

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    • I wish the the writers could just understand that shoving her in our faces want make us like her. I understand they wont kill her, but they need to at least tone it down, she should be a secondary character, not a main. But I'm just trying not to focus on it too much.

      I mentioned that that too, she slaughtered all those witches, but apparently, none of the other witches care, which is out of character.

      Same here. I'm hoping to see lots of blood, or decapitated heads, just something interesting. I don't think we should have to wait much longer now

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    • Lol I probably lose too much story but I just glaze over whenever she is on screen. I wish she'd go into the swamp and never come out.

      Yeah I can't wait the hype is killing me. Apparently they've only filmed the pilot or enough of it to get the trailer. I hope we get some promos soon. And I guess at this point it is speculation but it looks like Fiji is the witch (holding what looks to be a spell book) and she will have a familiar with her which I assume what the voice over is about (the Midnight Texas Twitter cover page). I haven't seen witches and Familiars since originally Charmed and most recently Salem (they have a different perspective though, super interesting though)

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    • She wanted her 'real family' so bad, it be much better if she just stayed with them, but of course, she abandoned them. They'll probably be called back up when Hayley needs more of them to die for her or Hope.

      Parisa, the actress of Fiji said this at the panel "Fiji is such a rich character... She believes magic and science are sometimes the same." So yeah, it seems like she's the witch. Obviously, Lemuel is a vampire, and Joe is an angel. Olivia appears to be a hit women, which is badass. And I read an article that said Rev. Sheenah is a werewolf.

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    • Ohh! Do you have a link. I just uploaded an image of Parisa's table read! :)

      I know she wanted a family so much and used them like kindling for a fire. She didn't care about them, just pawns to slow Dahlia down. Gonna act like trash, gonna be called Trash lol

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    • I could only find the tweet, but its from the official account. NBC and the show runner liked the tweet, so it must be legit

      https://twitter.com/NBCMidnightTX/status/784860757351596032

      Too bad the Crescents were too stupid to see they were being used. Thats why I hate TO wolves. TVD did that better

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    • Sweet! I guess I need to set up some alerts or something since I don't have twitter.

      nvm so Deleted --I got it to work..

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    • I'm following them, and I have notifications on, so as soon as anything happens, I'll be ready.

      Check the template now. The preview should be showing it correctly.

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    • Ah thanks! I'm still not too comfortable with the templates, hopefully I will get better as time goes on. :) I updated Fiji's page to reflect the new addition to the template. I believe one of the images I upload stated that Dylan Bruce is a 'series regular role' so I hope that means they have contracts for at least two seasons (or is that a generic classification?)

      Lol maybe I should breakdown and make a twitter account them..

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    • Its not a problem, I didn't know how to do anything when I first joined wiki, you pick things up over time. Series regular might just mean for this season, some contracts vary, its impossible to know. But I hope this show goe son for seasons. I'll start updating some of the others in a moment.

      This is pretty much the only reason I have one, to get notifications. I only talk and stuff like that occasionally, I really just follow the shows and writers.

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    • That is true. The Source info seems pretty straight forward (Ive downloaded a CSS app to get me familiar with how to code, though rl stuff is just too busy to get started with that) :)

      I know I'm hoping like min 4 season, like if S1 does well they will pick it up for a full season.

      I might make one for this reason too. I barely use social media anymore. I browse certain Tumblrs to get update (I particular like this one for updates on Scarlet Witch Comic Vol. 2) and I have FB but since college, use of that has dwindled. Never had Instagram or twitter (my life is too boring to showcase anything) and I got snapchat because I like the daily stories of certain groups like IGN.

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    • That's a good idea,  I wish I had thought of that when I first started on wiki, I was nervous AF when I first begin editing, I didn't want to mess anything up. 

      This is one of the shows that I'm looking forward to the most, I'm going to be pissed if it doesn't make it at least past season 1. The supernatural genre is my favorite, and it started to look like it was dying out, they gotta pick up the pace. 

      Hahaha. You sound like me, I don't really have any personal social media either, just a few accounts to follow shows

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    • I'm still the same way. I've been editing roughly 2 years since I first made my account and I still question a few things but the templates are a whole other beast to deal with, especially on an unestablished wiki.

      The supernatural genera is fleeting it seems. There are not many and the ones that are out cater to specifics secondary dramas, i.e. OUAT, Salem, TV/TO, SPN, Grimm.. I mean these are vastly different between each other and most of these are ending/should end (SPN has been out forever and I don't see Salem getting a 4th season). I feel like I'm missing some but both Bitten and Penny Dreadful, ended not too long ago. Midnight will bring some fresh life to this genera that is much needed.

      Twitter confuses me, lol. Like as a non-account holder looking through the tweets, the conversations sometimes seem jumbled to me, especially with retweets and stuff, but getting notifications about the actors and show would be most beneficial! I'll consider it.

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    • Templates are hell, especially if you're starting from scratch, they have to be precise, one misstep and you end up with nothing. 

      TVD, Teen Wolf and Grimm are ending, TO and SPN will likely follow soon, the Supernatural genre is taking hits. I guess for most people they were just jumping on the bandwagon, like this superhero shows right now, it makes you wonder what's going to follow that. 

      At first look, it does make you feel clueless, but you'll catch on, just like Wiki, or anything else, but like you sad, it has its benefits

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    • I know, you do get a nice little warning though that something is wrong so that is kinda nice, but it doesn't tell you where lol.

      Wow (face palm), Teen Wolf was the other (duh me)... Yeah I like the upsurge of super hero shows but they are en mass atm. Ranging from Netflix, all the marvel shows and spinoffs, the movies spanning DC and Marcel and now the new and continuing CW show. Don't get me wrong they are decent show, each having good and bad qualities, but people will get burned out of it eventually I need variety. Idk, Crime drama has been sizzling out for a while now, there are always hospital dramas, so nothing new there..

      Lol Speaking of, did you catch Flash? What did you think of Alchemy?

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    • I'm all for superhero shows, but this will die out, just like every other genre, and something different will come in, but I think the super heroes have at least a few more years before that's even a concern. Variety would be nice, everyone is calling the network The DCW now, its funny, bc thats basically what they've become. They should branch some. 

      I thought Alchemy was very mysterious, maybe he's the real main villain of S3, I hope he is. Maybe the Rival was just to throw us off, they need to chill with the speedsters for a while. Alchemy is unique, he somehow can give people their powers back from the last timeline, I'd like to know how he accomplishes that, and how he even knows of it.

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    • The DCW, that is too funny (first time I've actually heard that). And yeah I agree the need to branch out more, but right now they are making bank on these shows, so maybe 5 or so more years..

      Alchemy is perhaps the most unique and mysterious villain shown thus far, its like magic and science coming together. I thought they were done with the speedsters but the promo for next week, they are now introducing Jessie Quick and likely with Alchemy, they will bring back Kid Flash... which begs the question why one speedster is quicker than another, I mean will Jessie and KF be just as fast as Flash? (its like they got to balance out speedsters, 3 bad ones and now 3 good ones, well 4 if you count Flash on Earth 3)

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    • As long as the super hero shows are good, I'll watch.

      No doubt about it, he's got something evil coming, and I can't wait to see what it is. I hadn't even seen the promo for next week's episode, so I just watched it, and I must say, I'm kinda disappointed, speedsters aren't even unique anymore, its like every other characters has super speed now. But I must admit that I did like kid flash in the show and in the comics. I think in the comics, Barry was faster than Jessie but Wally was faster than both. I'm not really sure what makes one faster than the other

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    • Depends on the superhero they are showcasing and my time/when it air. I used to watch Agents of Shield, I catch a few episodes every now and again but I had to let it go for other things, now I'm so far behind and they are actually introducing Marvel heroes now (Ghost Rider) :)

      Opps sorry if I spoiled anything (sometime my fingers type before my brain reacts)... to me it seemed like KF was slower than Rival, yet Flash was able to beat him.. hmm I don't think they did a good job explaining that. Yeah I thought finally no more speedster, they can focus on something else and wham Harry and Jessie are back (which I'm not disappointed about in particular) it just seems weird that they both get speed as metahumans when they were exposed at the same time... I guess Barry being obliterated into the speed force and the proximity they were to it is the reason for it and I guess that is why Caitlin is being affect now too

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    • I only saw half of S1 of agents of sheild. I heard about the ghost rider, he looks badass, it kinda made me want to watch again but I didnt have the time. And last I remember the show wasn't even that good.

      You didn't spoil anything, I've already seen 3x01 and 3x02 of Flash and I was planning on watching the trailer, so nothing was spoiled. Yeah, Wally was slower, but Barry was able to beat the Rival, I guess the show isn't following the comics in this aspect. Its cool to see Harry and Jessie back again, I just wish they'd tone it down with the speedsters. Its certainly weird that Jessie has her powers and Wally doesn't, but we both know that wont be a problem for long. I just hope Caitlin doesn't just go full Killer Frost and turn evil, I liked her on the team, but Killer Frost was cool

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    • When it was first introduce I thought they were going to have cameos and stuff of the actual heroes (or at least the minor one because the big screen ones cost too much). But no! However many seasons they are in now they have a new adaption of Ghost Rider which isn't bad but I haven't a clue what is going on. I head that they pick up the scraps and fallout of what happens in the movies, which they reference the heroes occasionally and events that have happened and shaped a few things (like the inhuman registration stuff leading up to Captain American Civil War.

      Maybe they will revamp Killer Frost into a hero? Seems farfetched but I don't want to lose Caitlin, but at the same time I'm so happen we will possibly get KF back. The struggle is real.

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    • That's the exact same thing I was expecting, but no heroes ever came in, we were left with a couple scientists, a couple agents, and... a hacker? It didn't really appeal to me so I gave up on it. I'm also aware of the references towards heroes and certain events that have taken place in the movies, but I really expected more. I believe this is their 4th season, I'm surprised they made it this far.

      Very unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility.If there was ever a time that I was conflicted, it would be now.

      Just read another interview. It has to be legit as the show runner tweeted it, you'll like this part, it refers to Fiji as "a powerful witch". The part that caught my attention was a mention about the Reverend, who I guess is a were-tiger, which is cool, I hope this is true.

      "In the pilot, we were introduced to the supernatural inhabitants that make up Midnight. There’s a vampire (Peter Mensah) who can feed just by touching you (which conveniently doesn’t kill you), a powerful witch (Parisa Fitz-Henley), an angel and a reverend who mentions he won’t be around during the full moon. Don’t go thinking he’s an ordinary werewolf, though. Owusu-Breen revealed that we’d be seeing his were-tiger form in episode two."

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    • I know how you feel I watch a random episode yesterday and was calling the plot because at this point you just expect certain things to happen.

      That is AMAZING! I mean I was hesitant to tag her a witch (even though in the trailer she us telekinesis to crush and levitate the police car) but I wanted a confirmation and this works!! :P

      Were-tiger sounds interesting and quite new so that is exciting!

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    • Levitating the police car was pretty badass. And were-tiger is definitely one of the lesser known and more unique creatures, so I'm looking forward to not only see their interpretations of these creatures, but if they're introducing any other creatures.

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    • So based on that interview...

      Fans of the books will be treated to storylines from all three books as well as some original stuff too. Writer and executive producer Monica Owusu-Breen says there are pieces of all three books in the pilot. As the show goes on, she’ll put Harris’s characters in all kinds of crazy situations, using their backstories from the novels to flesh them out.

      It will be an adaptation of the books and the show's writer is bringing in pieces from all three books directly into the pilot. I guess I feel safe to read the books it seems like they are using it to the provide their backstory and possibly not plot.

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    • If I can find them online for free, then I might read them as well, I'll probably have to make time. I barely have enough time to watch shows

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    • If I find any such link I'll share it. That this point I'll resign to an audio book at least then I could listen to it while at work or something lol.

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    • Thanks. An audio book would be great, it would allow me to do exactly that, work and listen

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    • Not an audio book but I found book 1 (its only like 64 pages so.. here) the audio that I did find was like 5 minutes of reading..

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    • 64 pages is pretty light. I'll get to reading that later, thanks

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    • No problem.

      Don't Suppose you want to do a Insert Character Name (Novel) page for each main character do you (Like for TVD/TO Novels)? Personally these are so light I don't see a need for it and that the main book pages here on the wiki would probably suffice with a summary. Idk how soon I'll get around to reading this (or the others if I can find them)

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    • I agree, separate novel pages would be unnecessary, an overall summary of each book would be sufficient. I don't know how soon I'll get around to finishing either, I'm on page 6, and I'll just continue whenever I find time. We could just get around to it when we find time

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    • Sweet! Seems promising. :)

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    • Sup!? How are things?

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    • Hey. Things are boring, that's why I decided to read a little more of the first book, so far there's not much of a story, it's really just introducing the characters, which is good.

      What about you?

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    • Pretty good tgif... wiki has been slow (and boring on TVD, not much going on) today. I might start reading the first book before bed/over the weekend. I got some time to kill too.

      I can't wait. I hope the characters are good! :)

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    • I'd figured it might start picking up some as we got closer to the premiere, I guess not, but there's still time. People often return once the show starts back up. 

      Some of the characters descriptions are very detailed, so you should enjoy it.

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    • Oh I was confused but I guess you were referencing my comment to Karen? I showed her the preview and she loved it.

      I love detailed characters (without it being just excessive). I like to get a sense of what they are like, to picture them and see them as I read, so I'm happy about that. :)


      Btw I'm going to go ahead and tag the rest of the characters as human as they've repeatedly described the main supernatural creatures as specific species until otherwise stated.

      And I believe Mr. Snuggly is a cat, I haven't read much into the book... what category should we use for it (or I guess we don't need one)

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    • Now I'm confused. The part about the wiki picking up when the show starts was a reference to the TVD wiki. I was saying that some people usually return to that wiki when the season starts. But this one is definitely dead too, hopefully, that'll change as well. 

      I was just about to say that, from some of the descriptions, you can picture the character.

      Sounds good to me.

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    • Oh Sorry no on TVD, Karen and I were messaging and talking similar to here and I got confused (going back and forth sometime I forget who I'm talking what to who lol) But yeah I get it.

      Good that is what I like then. The few books that I actually have read, I like the imagery, something to make a lasting impression.

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    • Well, its good to know that someone else is interested in the show. I know that Darke, Shae, and Tommy(I think) are planning on watching it as well.

      Enjoy the book, so far its good

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    • Sweet. I've talked with Karen and Amr7... I'll repost the video on the witch page in a minute and see if I can't get some hype going about it..

      I will likely start it before bed. Lately I've not been sleeping well so who knows I can do something productive while I not sleep :)

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    • Good idea, now if only we could get an active admin on here things would be going great. I might have to just adopt it

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    • Lol that is a good idea (I had thought about doing something similar --to get extra rights to fix a few image names and whatnot). But yeah we need an active admin (or two if you need another)

      (:

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    • I guess I'll file a request for the rights over this wiki, and once I have them, I could also give you admin rights as well if you would like them.

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    • Sure. Never hurts to have a few. I mean look at TVD, there are like what 6-8 and the majority are either inactive or semi-active, Karen has been handling most of the admin business of late.

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    • Alright. I'll put in the request now. TVD wiki is pretty large, so the large amount of admins is a good idea, I've noticed that Karen has been working her ass off, good for her. Hopefully, this place will be as big as TVD, and we'll be able to look back to this moment when it was just us.

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    • Sweet! I know Karen is very dedicated too (hence the promotion not too long ago). I think she is an admin on at least one other wiki too and she is super busy anyways being a full time student!

      I'm predicting it will be. I mean with the small number of supernatural shows I think a lot of people will flock to this show. I mean they have a good looking diverse cast, racially diverse, LGBT characters, at least 4 different species, etc.,

      That is partially why I've been so active here lately. I was late to the TVD party, original an anon that just commented a lot and when I finally did decide to join, the series was already half over. I felt like some much had already happened amongst the users. With this I wanted to be here from the start (no matter how many seasons they get).

      We should be proud regardless, we've worked out butts off the last week or so cleaning up the pages that were here and adding info and images (even how little there has been)... there is only more room to grow! :)

      Speaking of which I followed suit with your Season One page and created Season One Character tag as well. I think we need to decide on the number thing though (spelled out One or as 1) I wasn't thinking consistency until after I created the category :/

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    • I know how tiring that is, I use to run two wikis a while back and go to school, its nearly impossible to do all, so I slowed down on the wiki for a while until everything became more stable

      For the real fans of supernatural shows, I could see this attracting them, especially when you consider how many supernatural shows are ending now. This show has great timing. And Diversity is definitely a focus that most people look for, so I could see this going well.

      I joined the TVD wiki during S2, a little after that is when everything really picked up and that wiki was so exciting and active, those were the good days, and the chat was always packed. It was just good times, so I get wanting to be there from the beginning

      Since categories can't be renamed, the best decision would be for me to just renamed the 'Season 1' page to 'Season One' in order to match the category

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    • ^Ah ok (sorry about that). Thanks for renaming the page..

      Yeah I understand that. I think I came in around 4/5. I've never done the chat. When I first started editing, they were sporadic and I'd just pop on to make a few changes then get off. Seems like the messages work best for me at least with who I converse with now (mainly Karen, Amr7 and Jolsarygt), all of which as expressed interest in the show and coming to this wiki on some form.

      Edit: Karen's Here!! XD

      And another has fell victim to such an awesome trailer!

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    • Hey guys! I'm officially hooked on this show XD .

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    • Edit-in: One of you guys should adopt the wiki and help each other to become admins! You've both already contributed so much to it. :)

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    • ^Kev has already made a request! Thank you though! C:

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    • It's not a big deal. Don't worry about it.

      Chat is really good when your watching the new episodes live, thats typically when I get on, its just faster to talk with everyone that way, but I mainly use the message walls as well. That's awesome, we'll slowly build this community. 

      The trailer was incredible, its hard not to fall victim.

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    • The actors are awesome in the trailer. The vampire was a main antagonist for one of the Sleepy Hollow seasons lol and his performance made the show watchable last season of SH.

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    • ^When I Google him I found out he was in SH, I regret not keeping up with it after s2 now.

      I think I will definitely use chat more with this wiki, especially since we are building it from the ground up!.

      Speaking of actors Dylan Bruce was pretty awesome in Orphan Black too.

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    • Just hyphenated the title of the show on some of the characters' pages, just like TVD wiki XD . Also, do you guys want me to start getting some images onto the character pages? I can take snapshots from the trailer and start formatting them to fit on the characters' pages. The actors/actresses have profile images already at least so that'll help me categorize and format the characters' images, lol.

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    • Never saw SH, so I'm not familiar with the actor, but I've seen Dylan Bruce act before, and he's pretty good. He seems like a natural badass.

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    • He was pretty epic in SH. He played a god no less XD .

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    • Go ahead,  I wanted some kinda image at least for the main cast

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    • I'll get started :) .

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    • Hey Kev, While Karen is working one the snap shots, can you help me make the Image Categories for the main cast... For example I'll do Images of Fiji Cavanaugh we only have the cast categories..

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    • So far, I put the images in cast just to categorize. The wiki deletes images after 24 hours if not categorized I believe.

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    • ^Thanks for the info. I did not think to create them before hand, so I'm working on it now and can be easily switched out. (I'm also adding Season One to them).

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    • Yeah, we can do that. To make sure there's no cross editing I guess we can do half and half. I'll do 1-7 and you do 8-14?

      1.Olivia

      2.Manfred Bernardo

      3 Bobo Winthrop

      4 Lemuel Bridger

      5 Joe Strong

      6 Creek

      7 Madonna Reed

      8 Officer Tina Gomez

      9 Rev. Emilio Sheehan

      10 Fiji Cavanaugh

      11 Chuy Strong

      12 Connor Lovell

      13 Shawn Lovell

      14 Mr. Snuggly

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    • I just did, Lemuel (4), So take 8..

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    • Alright

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    • So far, those are all the images I could find. I'll scout for more! :)

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    • Sweet. I love the Image of Fiji.

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    • I know right lol, that scene with her spelling the sheriff's car was awesome XD .

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    • Nice! They look great. Maybe NBC will release official character photos soon.

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    • Thank you! And I hope they release them; some other main characters aren't even shown in the trailer yet XD .

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    • Great screenshots! I don't see why they couldn't I mean they already have the amazing trailer!

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    • Thanks BBM! And I hope they maybe release another trailer whenever they air the season lol.

      Edit: For more of an introduction for other main characters.

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    • I honestly don't know who I'm most excited for, Olivia, Fiji, Joe, or Rev... I'm leaning towards Fiji and Rev. (Weretiger just sounds awesome and unique!)

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    • Fiji looks awesome! I'm actually also digging Lemuel's swaggery-vampireness XD .

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    • Im most intrigued by Olivia and Rev. One is a weretiger, and the other is a hitwoman, need I say more?

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    • Guys, I'm such a dumb dumb...IMdb has a promotion poster. I could've used screenshots from there....🙈😂 *facepalm*

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5464086/mediaviewer/rm1962545152

      I can add them tomorrow and start creating galleries for the characters, lol.

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    • Its okay I didn't think about it either!

      The Olivia is awesome too. See appears to be trained in Close Quarter and weaponry so that is an amazing start.

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    • I didn't even think about that. Those photos can also be found on the series page. http://midnight-texas.wikia.com/wiki/Midnight,_Texas_(TV_series)

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    • Thanks for the help everyone!! Well I'm off to bed, already past 2am for me so :) Good Night!

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    • Good morning guys! Message me if you need anything done today :) . I'll be a bit busy being I'm out with family today so I'll try to get things done once I get back home tonight, lol.

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    • Morning. I'll be on sporadic too... nothing rwally come to mind, I mean we can preemptively begin making templates and categories that we don't have yet.

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    • That would be good! Later, I can try adding galleries/starter galleries to some of the character pages lol.

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    • Just got back in. I got a few hours to kill, but I can't even edit right now bc I'm on my phone and the dumbass internet company is under going problems, so i can't get on my computer. I guess I'll read some more of the first novel.

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    • How are the novels? I've actually haven't heard of this book series before the trailer for the show lol.

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    • I wasn't even aware of the books until recently either. I'm about half way through the first one, there's not much of a story, but it does a really good job at introducing the characters. Bennett posted a link to it on this thread somewhere in case you're interested.

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    • Bennett Blood Mage18 wrote:
      Not an audio book but I found book 1 (its only like 64 pages so.. here) the audio that I did find was like 5 minutes of reading..

      Here it is..

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    • I'll listen through it maybe tonight lol. I'm out right now still lol

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    • Icouldn't find a full length audo book the link above is a pdf of the first book which is 64 pages, which makes me question if I got the whlie book, seems kinda small

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    • That's a good question. I'm half way through and there's still no story or conflict. This could be a shortened version, which is fine with me

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    • I'm a quarter way in and I like the details. But I might just buy the kindle version or something.


      BTW I added the grandmother, the last name may not be correct it didn't elaborate what I've read but we've seen her on the show (though not specifically named, I hope she is reoccurring, she seems interesting)

      Update: IMDb listed first name only so I changed that and added a broken link for the actress, so the page can be made. I'm on mobile too and the cast page is a little more challegening to create atm so if someone gets to it before I do later that's fine :)

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    • I could see the grandmother sticking around, she seems to be his guide, helping him through life. The novel suggests that they had a strong bond before she died

      If my internet starts back up, I'll be sure to create the page

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    • The grandmother seems like a hoot like I wanna know if other people can see the ghosts because I can see her like in the back ground giving commentary about things he is doing

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    • That's actually what I was wondering as well. Is it only psychics, or can all Supernaturals see ghosts or can humans see them too? I'm sure this will be answered in the show

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    • Even in the trailer it was unclear whether or not the woman in the beginning was able to see Harold, but yeah hopefully it is something that is answered quick, because it seems like some has to been summoned (Harold and the dead woman/plus others, I read that they can hitch a ride or something) yet the promo seemed like Grandma just popped up beside him...

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    • Karen, if you have time could you do another screencap? For Xylda?

      I've made a tag for it too here

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    • From the trailer, which wasn't all that clear it appears that some can just pop up when they feel like it while others can be summoned. Possession would be cool, I hope to see that.

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    • I will try finding Xylda images now :) . And sorry for being quite inactive today guys, I was in Hershey all day with immediate family and cousins lol.

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    • Just took care of Xylda's page.

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    • ^^^Possession seems cool but reminds me of SPN'demon smoke thing,but still cool to see.

      It is quite alright, I was out with family too.

      The page looks great!

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    • ^ Good point, now that you mention it i can see the similarity.

      ^^^ No need to apologize, real life comes first, I get it.

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    • Kev, Internet and phone stuff got fixed I assume..

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    • Nope, and its killing me. I can still do minor edits from my phone, but as you know a lot of editing is difficult from mobile.

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    • I know how you feel. Mobile is so constricting and I feel like I tend to mess more stuff up

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    • Exactly. As advanced as wiki a is, you'd think they would be more mobile-friendly

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    • The thing that gets me the most is the preview mode, my phone cuts of the view and most of the time once I go back to the edit view I can't change the view size thus checking for mistakes is difficult before I publish, smh. Even minor edits I have to double check because I'm afraid the auto correct function or whatever will screw something up..

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    • Bennett Blood Mage18 wrote: The thing that gets me the most is the preview mode, my phone cuts of the view and most of the time once I go back to the edit view I can't change the view size thus checking for mistakes is difficult before I publish, smh. Even minor edits I have to double check because I'm afraid the auto correct function or whatever will screw something up..

      Hello (condering of watching the show), have you tried viewing of editing in desktop view (mode) on your browser? It helps most of time when editing on phone..

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    • ^Hi Jolsarygt,

      Welcome!

      Yeah I only use the desktop mode but the preview portion is difficult to work with for me, I have to go landscape some times to make the view better..

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    • Kev, Update about the book, Amazon has it as 384 pages so what I found was only a portion of it...

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    • Welcome Jols!

      And hey all, I may be free tonight to help you guys if you need anything done. I'm out with some family again but I should be home later tonight :)

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    • Damn. Now I know I don't have that kind of time, but I started to think that it wasn't the entire novel. Also, internet is back, so I'm good to go

      Sup Jolsarygt

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    • Welcome back Kev :)

      Hi Karen, the only thing I can think of atm is just getting all the current pages consistent amongst each other... With the addition of Xylda I updated the Character Template (replaced origin with status) and the source code for each character page to be updated as the need arises, that sorta stuff. (If I didn't make that clear then let me know).

      Edit: Karen, Kev posted a BTS image of Madonna, could you do a screenshot of her like you did for the others? Also, an image of the Ghost page, either Harold or a smoky ghost form for the profile section

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    • Smh, I messed up and made this... I was trying to move it because I miss type Category, now I don't know how to delete it.. any suggestions?

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    • ^I've asked about category pages to an admin (on another wiki) before and I was told they can't be renamed.. I don't think it can be deleted because it says user, either admin can delete it or ask a staff member at CC wiki.

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    • Well the thing was when I was trying to rename it, it became a user page apparently (?).. I guess I need to contact a wiki staff member to remove then

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    • ^ I think Kev can delete it once he gets the chance 👍🏻

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    • Karen, bureaucrats can remove user pages?

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    • That's weird, I've never seen a page become a user page before. An admin or bureaucrat may be able to delete it, so I guess we'll have to wait to find out

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    • My Bad everyone..

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    • No worries, I think I see what happened, a couple redirect pages were formed in the process of renaming it. Once I have the rights, I should be able to delete them, and hopefully that'll take care of the user page as well

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    • I believe a bureaucrat can also remove categories. I'm one on another wiki and I'm able to move around and/or delete categories on there. Also, I think bureaucrats are higher so they have admins rights as well as being named bureaucrats for their length of contributions I believe. Lol it's a lot of things to help define a bureaucrat @Jols

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    • I'm about to format the character pages, this is what I have. Before I start, I'm wondering if there's anything someone wants to add or take away to this?

      Backstory

      Season One

      Personality

      Skills

      Appearances

      Trivia

      Gallery

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    • @Kev, I was actually gonna message you all about this XD ! And it looks great to me.

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    • I'll start with Lemuel, Olivia and Fiji if you don't mind.

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    • Sure I'll get started on the others

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    • Looks good to me! As y'all move through the pages, ( I can assist in the morning) double check the infobox and fill in what is missing if you don't mind, I switched out origin for status, and added last appearances..

      Let me know whatever you needed finished (I'm off to bed atm) :)

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    • Sounds good to me. Later.

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    • No problem guys :) !

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    • Just wanted to let you guys know that I've created the quote and appearance template. Any changes you think should be made let me know.

      http://midnight-texas.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Quote

      http://midnight-texas.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Season_One_Appearances

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    • Looks Good. Just made a minor capitalization change for consistency..

      Edit: Btw, I like the fact that for Lemuel Bridger, it was stated Alive/Unknown... because currently and the trivia he could be a non-traditional vampire in a sense so hopefully this will be cleared up when shown. (I know from the novel, he only comes out at night so I'd assume dead/undead, but I like how it is now)

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    • I do have a question though, why are the character pages tagged with Template?

      Should that be removed?

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    • ^I find it odd to see that a quote without a quote is added on a character's page..

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    • It looks a bit odd, perhaps fill in with quote from or about them from the promo or remove..

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    • Yeah, it should be filled out when added.

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    • I noticed the template category earlier, I'm guessing its embedded in one of the templates, I'll take a look. As for the quote template, I'll remove them until we get a quote from an episode.

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    • ^I can transcribe the promo and add where appropriate.. and remove the ones that arn't mentioned if you want.

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    • We can do that. I know there's a few characters that didn't even appear in the trailer, so I'll just go ahead and remove those now, and let you take it from there.

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    • The template category should be gone now on the pages

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    • Sweet. So the Category on the Stub was causing the issue I take it?

      I updated the quotes... and working on adding the formatted version on the Tv Series page now.

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    • Yeah, it was the stub.

      Nice!

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    • Done. :)

      Jolsarygt and I were discussing the Stub and delete templates. The stub image is fitting, dontcha think? And for the Delete, a ghost, probably Xylda..

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    • Absolutely. It was genius, very fitting. A ghost would be good for the delete template. I just realized the species pages arent fomatted, what do you think of this? Anyone want to replace somethinbg or perhaps a slight change of words, anything like that before I start

      Origin

      Psychical Appearance

      Behavioral Characteristics

      Notable Vampires

      Strengths

      Weaknesses

      Trivia

      Gallery

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    • Can you give an example of Behavioral Characteristics?

      I can understand Physical Appearance because of the Weretiger and Angel (with Wings), Vampires (the teeth, etc.)... I think the Strengths and Weaknesses should be before the Notable section.

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    • I'll use general werewolf mythology as an example for behavioural characteristics. They're typically known for being aggressive, especially on full moons. But they're also a loyal and unified species as they often search for packs, and once a member of said pack,  they'll do anything to protect it. This is the type of information that would be found in that section, the information would be worded better, but you get my point. What do you think?

      And I'll rearrange the sections as you suggested.

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    • I like that specifically for Werewolves (or in this case Weretiger), but that may species specific... Like witches I doubt would be confined to this heading..

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    • That's true, and this is something I've considered, but this could apply to witches as well, just look at TVD/TO, some of the witches also exhibit that pack mentality, or I guess I should say coven mentality. If this section does not apply to a certain creature on the show, then we'll remove it.

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    • Whatever you guys see fit! 👍🏼

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    • OK, I think it is fine until we see the show, revise as it goes on and elaborates further.

      My concern was that Midnight is a haven for all creatures so packs and covens may not apply unless it goes into the backstories of how they were before and why they ended up out of their respective groups..

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    • Another good point. Instead of leaving it on the page until we see fit, the better decision might be to not add it until we see fit bc as you said this may not apply to most, and it may never be addressed How about that?

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    • I agree I think we should leave it out until/if addressed.

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    • There's probably a font code to make them small, but I have no idea what it is.

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    • ^Sorry my zoom was jacked up for an unknown reason, when I fixed it, it looked normal so I removed the initial comment.

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    • Ok

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    • Do you think the Weretiger is a subsection of Werewolves or a separate species (I don't think I knew there was a werewolf page)

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    • In real world mythology, a weretiger is its own species, they all fall under the were-creature category, but they're not subspecies or anything like that.

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    • I think this will probably be the most interesting mythology. I don't think Teen Wolf did that good of a job for the Were-Jaguar. I fear that because the Rev is quite and sits alone (keeps to himself) that once the groups is formed, that he will become talkative and explain what he is.

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    • Teen Wolf didn't explore the creature enough, they introduced Kate as a werejaguar, we saw her powers but there wasn't any exploration of it. I'm hoping that he stays quiet, only getting involved when he has to. Hopefully he keeps to himself bc he's that dangerous. Maybe he's quiet bc if he gets too loud and emotional, he'll lose control. That's a common trait with were-creatures.

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    • Supposedly we'll see the transformed him in ep 2. I hope he's dangerous, I kinda want to see him on a warpath (a good warpath lol) I can image Lemuel or Fiji having to hold him back or something, that'd be amazing.

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    • That would be amazing, and I'm definitely looking forward to ep.2. I'm getting hyped and we haven't even seen anything yet.

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    • Gah I know right. I wish the cast was post more BTS images... twitter/IG has been quite and they should be about finished with ep 1... since they started last Monday, (given TVD/TO pace at filming), I wouldn't think MT would be any different.

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    • I'm expecting real BTS images of 1x01 any day now. If they're trying to build anticipation, this is one of the best ways to do. They need to give us more to go on. NBC typically releases character descriptions and official character photos a few months before the show airs, maybe we'll get something soon 

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    • Hopefully This or next week and maybe get some promo images early/mid Nov. and a new video by Dec.

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    • That would be great

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    • I can't wait till they're released.

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    • Hey guys, just curious...I'm trying to fin images of Creek and I'm not entirely sure who she is...is she that perky brunette that's with Bernard a lot in the trailer? I wanted to edit in her image, lol.

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    • ^Yea, She is also the women next to Madonna when they describe Manfred (no firend, no family, etc.,) and then go about talking about the neighbors.

      58sec into the trailer, Madonna is on the left and Creek is on the right

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    • Yeah, that's her. Apparently, they'll hav some kind of relationship

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    • Got it, I'm going to create the screenshot image now.

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    • Hey guys, sorry to bother y'all again, but I honestly can't decide which two images to use as Creek's profile picture. I was wondering if you would like to vote on them or whatever, lol. I'll post them down here, if I'm able to lol:

      File:CreekTrailer1.jpeg


      File:CreekTrailer2.jpeg
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    • I like the Second (bottom) image

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    • I agree lol, she looks a bit ditsy in the first one XD . I only snapshotted it though because it looked clearer.

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    • Well they are both good and realistically they are just place holders until the promo images or screencaps are released. But yeah the first one looks more ditsy as you say.

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    • Either is fine. Like Bennett said,they're just place holders

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    • So I have a question, are they filming in New Mexico? I've seen a few IG photos (that I'd assume to be apart of the show) that is tagged New Mexico, but not tagged MT.. so thinking it is more or less BTS.

      Also, what do you think about establishing some policies (images, tagging, copyright, spoiling, etc.,) I've looked around and haven't found any here, but I've been browsing other wikis to see what kind of things they list under their policies.

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    • Yeah, I believe they're filming in New Mexico, I've noticed the tags as well.

      Its funny you mention that, I've been working on that, trying to get it all together. I'm an admin on another wiki and I was looking at the policies earlier. 

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    • Lol cool (great minds think alike I guess). If you want help create and article or file or something and let me know.

      Thought about making a sandbox for the policies but wanted to see other opinions first.

      Did you ever hear back from CC about the added rights? (Feels like it has been forever ago)

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    • I haven't even begun to start on an image, spoiler, or tagging policy yet, so feel free to start on any of those if you want to.

      I feel like an idiot, but I've never had a use for one. How do sandboxes work and what is the purpose of it?

      I've been checking every day, but nothing yet. The wait can take up to two weeks, when I first sent the request, there was a long ass list of wiki adoptions ahead of this one. We're about half way up now.

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    • Kk cool.

      Don't feel that way. I only recently created one for TVD (see here). I used it to work out major edits. Combining pages, making cleaner revisions etc. without editing the actual page. Basically it is a subpage for your profile and you can do whatever kind and as many edits as you want. OA has several for various pages he's wanted to revise.

      Lol wow. Given the number of Staff you'd think they would have more than one (never been on CC before a day or so ago for another reason, I went hunting bc curiosity got the better of me) officiating the adoptions.

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    • The sandbox sounds brilliant, very useful.

      My thoughts exactly. I realize that people can't be on wiki everyday, so its weird thats it never occurred to anyone over at CC that maybe the should have more than one staff member working adoptions.

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    • I thought about making one here, just because I can link images and links better from here than TVD. If I make one you are more than welcome to use it, or if you want I can tell you how to create one.

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    • Don't worry about me. I'm set in my ways, for big edits, I typically use microsoft bc it saves automatically, keeps me from losing any important info, I learned that the hard way. Also, I'm almost finished with the Vandalism policy.

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    • Okay, Working on an Image Policy now, I may go ahead and publish it and expand it later tonight. I need to transcribe that last 8.01 video for Jols.

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    • No rush. Get to it when you can, we have plenty of time, we have all of 2016

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    • ^lol you're right. Two things, can you do an Image policy image as well, and also Jols had the great idea to tag all images dedicated to policies, templates, etc., associated with the wiki main to be tagged with MT Wiki Images, that way they can be tracked and not deleted. (I've thus tagged the policy images you uploaded.)

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    • Sure, I'll get to that in a moment. That was a great idea, I had completely forgotten to tag those images, thanks.

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    • No Problem or a rush :)

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    • Lol it's ironic that you earned a badge when completed the badge boosting policy.. XD

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    • Ikr? I laughed a little when I saw it

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    • For the season one page, the episode table what do you think about another cell/section for each of the episode names, ie we can go ahead and add in pilot..

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    • There's already a section for the episode name, it says "title", it looks like a small space now, but it'll expand once something is typed in the space. Feel free to add the pilot.

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    • Apparently I'm blind when on mobile lol. I'll go ahead and add the Pilot then

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    • Hi Everyone,

      I've finished the Image Policy which is quite extensive that covers a wide range of situations. I've taken cues from several different wikis and expanded from the basic guidelines from TVD. Let me know what is agreeable or is asking too much or just not acceptable.

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    • I'll try to look at it now. I'm on mobile so I might not be able to see it all.

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    • This is perfect. Very well detailed but simple to follow. Nice!

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    • Its okay take your time Karen :)

      Thanks Kev, Hopefully I covered the full range/types of images..

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    • Kev, check out that interview/info I updated on the season one page! (Cast Interview about some of the main characters)

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    • Awesome. I'm super excited to learn more about Olivia. Haven't even really seen the character in action, yet I'm hype. I don't know what it is.

      Since these were the only cast members there, I think it's a good chance that they are the main cast and the rest are supporting.

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